Paramahaṁsa:. At the present they know how
to kill very good. Prabhupāda: Yes. Nonsense. “We are trying.”
That any nonsense will say, “I am trying.” What is this? That is not a scientific proposition.
Umāpati: Well, the argument that has been presented is that “Well we don’t have it now,
but soon we’re to have it. So…” Prabhupāda: That any rascal will say. What
is the difference between you and the rascal? Any rascal will say, that “I am trying to…”
What is the use of these scientists? Any rascal will say. Trust no future, however pleasant.
You can talk of all pleasant things in future, but you don’t trust it. You as you don’t trust,
because you do not see soul, you don’t trust. Why shall I trust you, you rascal, that in
future you shall be very great scientist? You do not trust because you do not see. There
is no soul. You cannot see. So why shall I trust you? What is the answer? That in future
you will be able to do something extraordinary. Why shall I trust you?
Umāpati: Give them a lot of credit. Karandhara: Well they say they have done so
much in the past, they have accomplished so much in the past.
Prabhupāda: That is all useless. What you have done? You have not given any contribution
that there will be no death. The death is there. In the past there was death, and people
are dying now. What you have done? Paramahaṁsa: Helped death.
Prabhupāda: Helped means you have helped to minimize their duration of life. Formerly
man was living hundred years. Now they do not live more than sixty, seventy years. That
you have helped certainly. What you have helped? A man is dying ordinarily, and you have created
atomic energy. You can kill thousands of men. So you have helped only in dying. But you
have not helped in living. That is not possible. Then what you have done? Some childish play?
What you have done? You cannot stop death, you cannot stop birth, you cannot stop disease,
you cannot stop old age. So what you have done? Formerly people used to become old.
Now also, they are becoming old. Formerly people used to die. They are dying now also.
Formerly the people used to become diseased. They are becoming diseased. More diseased.
More medicine. What you have helped? You have not helped anything in the improvement of
the order of the world? What is that help? Umāpati: The same scientists will point to
India and say, “Look at all the dying and starving people over there.”
Prabhupāda: No, no, why Indians? We are talking of the whole world. Why you take the example
of the Indians? Indians may be backward. We are talking of you, so forward. What you have
done? Indians may be backward. We are not talking of any particular nation or particular
people. We are talking of general people, people in general. India, why bring India?
Umāpati: Well, it’s the popular opinion over here that Indians are…
Prabhupāda: No, no, why do you bring? This is another foolishness. Why do you bring India?
What you have done first of all, sir? Umāpati: Well, I am not doing this.
Prabhupāda: No no, you are your men. Those who are not Indian.
Paramahaṁsa: Well, perhaps it’s because spiritual culture originates, spiritual culture
is, permeates their society. Prabhupāda: Yes, that is. When spiritual
consciousness is presented in truth, then you become conquered. You have been already.
The Christian people are astonished, how Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement so big shape within
so few years. They are afraid now. Yes. And why they shall not be? Here is science. And
that is foolishness only. Umāpati: That’s their new religion.
Prabhupāda: Yes. “God has only one son.” Why? God one son? I asked the priest, that
“God is limited or unlimited?” “Oh, unlimited.” “Then why should you limit it by one son?”
He could not answer. “Ordinary men have more than one son, and God has got only one son.”
Why? He could not answer. There is no philosophy. How people will…? This system, religion,
was taught thousands of years, some shepherds, some fourth-class men. And now people are
so much advanced in science, why they will accept it? Jesus Christ is preaching first
thing, “Thou shalt not kill.” That means he was preaching among the killers. So what kind
of men they are? Tenth class of men. And how this tenth class man religion will be acceptable
by the first class men? Now people are becoming first-class men. These things are go on, dogmas
and nonsense philosophy. That will not stand. Automatically Christian religion is dead now.
Nobody is going. There is no philosophy. There is no science. How it will be accepted. And
they are violating, simply violating. Whatever it may be. Christ says “Thou shalt not kill.”
They are simply killing. How it will go on? How long you can cheat people? What is the
explanation there? The first order is “Thou shalt not kill.” Why they are killing? What
is the answer? Umāpati: Sense gratification.
Prabhupāda: That’s all. Violating. Paramahaṁsa: They have lost respect as well.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Violating the laws. So how they can go on with the business?
Umāpati: Somehow they think they have an answer.
Prabhupāda: They have no answer. As soon as I asked this question… Yesterday also,
last, that television, he also asked the same question. He has purchased all our books.
So “Why this Christian religion is declined?” And “Why it will not? Why you are violating?”
He could not answer. He could not answer. He will violate… All, many Christian priests
ask me this question, and as soon as they put this question, they stop. They stop. They
cannot answer. “Why you are killing? The first order is ‘Thou shalt not kill,’ and why you
are killing?” They cannot answer. I asked them two questions. “Why unlimited God shall
have only one son? And why you are killing?” They cannot answer. Or you answer?
Umāpati: No. Prabhupāda: The earth was flat. They believed
that the world is flat. So how much imperfect knowledge they have got. So imperfect knowledge,
how long it can go? Just like we are going to challenge all these rascals that life is
grown out of matter. We are going to challenge. It is not a fact. So how long you can cheat
people? For hundred, two hundred, thousand years, but you cannot cheat for all the time.
Umāpati: It has been going on from time immemorial. I guess they figure they can just keep going
on for time immemorial. Prabhupāda: No time immemorial. You are being
cheated for two hundred, three hundred years, that’s all. Not before that. All these scientists
rascals, have come out within two hundred years. That’s all. So you are being cheated
for the last two hundred years, not for thousands of years. So it will be finished. Within another
fifty years, everything will be finished. Karandhara: Yes, they say now there is an
anti-intellectual movement. People are rebelling to science and modern progress.
Prabhupāda: What is that science? That is not science. That is ignorance. Ignorance.
Simply ignorance. Ignorance is going as science. Irreligion is going as religion. So how long
it will go? People are becoming intelligent.